Groupe 4---- Marc-André, Audrey, Romain, Alex, Miles----
Just before i begin, i just want to inform you that i’m french, so you will be nice to excuse my english mistakes. I will do a resume of what we talked together but also I will put some personal experience to lean our thesis.
The vision of Marx on communism and private property look really nice and attractive at the first glance. It’s an idealist vision of, how good the world could be. But if you consider the human in his true nature, you realize that the thesis of Marx is totally utopique. Generaly, human are selfish, they will always put themselves before others. It’s sad but it’s true. I don’t think a society without materialism will never exist. The normal man always want more than his neighbor. Also the people who are attract to lead are also attract by power and wealth. So the man will always be bribable. Human are human, and human are imperfect. The system of Marx should only works if all human was good and pure, and unfortunatly it is impossible. This is why since the beginning of humanity there is war on the planet.
Moreover, when people work for governement instead of working for a private compagnie, they work less harder. I know, I worked for gorvernment since 8 years. And I saw how they managed cash and human ressources. Nobody really care, cause if the things goes bad, nobody will loose money. They are not conscious that they play with their own money, cause they are not directly affected by the lost of this money.
In the other texte, like Marx, Oosterling describe how we are dependant of material, but particulary of technologie. He also declare that our lifes are miserable cause we live within a grim routine. I do not totally disagree with him. Since our birth our lives have been trace. We gonna do x years of school, x years of work and after, retirement. And if you do not want to enter that system, it is too bad for you.
If we want to create a better world for our child we have to figure a system somewhere between the capitalist and the Marx world. But the wealthy owners will not fall so easly.
The vision of Marx on communism and private property look really nice and attractive at the first glance. It’s an idealist vision of, how good the world could be. But if you consider the human in his true nature, you realize that the thesis of Marx is totally utopique. Generaly, human are selfish, they will always put themselves before others. It’s sad but it’s true. I don’t think a society without materialism will never exist. The normal man always want more than his neighbor. Also the people who are attract to lead are also attract by power and wealth. So the man will always be bribable. Human are human, and human are imperfect. The system of Marx should only works if all human was good and pure, and unfortunatly it is impossible. This is why since the beginning of humanity there is war on the planet.
Moreover, when people work for governement instead of working for a private compagnie, they work less harder. I know, I worked for gorvernment since 8 years. And I saw how they managed cash and human ressources. Nobody really care, cause if the things goes bad, nobody will loose money. They are not conscious that they play with their own money, cause they are not directly affected by the lost of this money.
In the other texte, like Marx, Oosterling describe how we are dependant of material, but particulary of technologie. He also declare that our lifes are miserable cause we live within a grim routine. I do not totally disagree with him. Since our birth our lives have been trace. We gonna do x years of school, x years of work and after, retirement. And if you do not want to enter that system, it is too bad for you.
If we want to create a better world for our child we have to figure a system somewhere between the capitalist and the Marx world. But the wealthy owners will not fall so easly.
posted by Marc-Andre at 9:46 PM
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